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What Is Liberation?

topic posted Mon, October 16, 2006 - 2:40 PM by  Unsubscribed
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So many paths - Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity.
Yet all have a definition of what liberation is.

What is your view of Liberation? and where do you think we go when we die?

All views are beautiful.
Thanks.
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  • Re: What Is Liberation?

    Mon, October 16, 2006 - 3:05 PM
    Hmmm... liberation to me means to be free from fear. Completely free. My entire life has been ruled by fear, I have let go of sooo much of that. I am very different from a year ago. Once you are free from fear, there is nothing to hold you back anymore. At least for me this is true, different paths different views ya know :). When we die I personally believe we go onto the next dimension, heaven, I guess,or whatever you call it. Just leaving our body and it's limitations behind, I believe death is an illusion, we don't leave we just become transformed into our soul self on the other side of the "veil", until we decide to do all of this again. I think I am rambling. It is hard to put into writing I think! Love and Light
  • Re: What Is Liberation?

    Mon, October 16, 2006 - 4:29 PM
    I've actually really been getting into this question lately... My thoughts are that true liberation is when your soul (self) departs from your body (self). I believe this can also be done through lucid dreaming. Your body is not who you are. It is a skin you have during your time spent as a human life. When you die, your soul and body part from one another and your soul goes into the next stage of your life. This is where I'm shady---either it goes into "heaven" maybe "hell"... I don't know how I feel about the whole heaven and hell thing. I am starting to wonder if there is just a next stage in your souls life. Not necessarily just going to heaven, but, animated in a different human state? Why is it necessary for our souls to live a human life?
  • Re: What Is Liberation?

    Tue, October 17, 2006 - 10:55 PM
    I'm just looking for freedom from my own self-cruelty. I'll work past that when I get farther along.

    Where do we go when we die? What I generally tell people who ask me that is "Buffalo".
  • Re: What Is Liberation?

    Tue, October 17, 2006 - 11:01 PM
    i like a definition of liberation by ernest holmes,
    "I believe the ultimate goal of life to be a complete emancipation from all discord of every nature, and that this goal is sure to be attained by all."
    spiritpathcounseling.com/believe.htm

    and if i can even come close to that kind of place when i die i'll be happy
    xoj
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    Re: What Is Liberation?

    Tue, October 17, 2006 - 11:16 PM
    From a Buddhist point of view I understand liberation to mean gaining freedom from cyclic existence or samsara. Freedom from being caught in the process of continuously experiencing the cycle of birth, sickness, old age and death. A cycle or process that we are caught in due to our karmic patterns based on afflictive emotions and ignorance of the true nature of reality. More personally to me liberation means believing or having faith that it is possible to reduce and eventually put an end to suffering and gain a true unconditional limitless freedom. As to where we go when we die I think this has a great deal to do with what kind of life we have lived because that determines what causes we have created to manifest our next lifetime. If we wish to move to a positive lifetime or existence after the end of this lifetime I think its important to make sure we are creating the cause or foundation for that with what we are doing right now.
  • True Freedom Is an Inward State of Being

    Fri, October 20, 2006 - 5:47 AM
    Just happened to come across this quote from Jack Kornfield. I think it relates to the topic of "liberation":

    "In the West, there's a myth that freedom means free expression--that to follow all desires wherever they take one is true freedom. In fact, as one serves the mind, one sees that following desires, attractions, repulsions is not at all freedom, but is a kind of bondage. A mind filled with desires and grasping inevitably entails great suffering. Freedom is not to be gained through the ability to perform certain external actions. True freedom is an inward state of being. Once it is attained, no situation in the world can bind one or limit one's freedom. "
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    Re: What Is Liberation?

    Sun, November 5, 2006 - 6:01 PM
    Nmaste' Andrew and All Other Members of this Tribe:

    Ahhhh Good Question

    and probably as many answers as there are human beings and paths to enlightenment.

    I believe liberation is when the soul/light/jio/atman finally sheds the ego and can vibrate in harmony with god. The soul is free of the continuous cycle of life and death.

    I believe when the body dies the soul (depending on how you worked on your karma ie did you do sadhana (spirtiual work) and actually live your dharma (align my will with thy will). If you are not yet enlightened then I believe you either come back or are we just living one continuous stream of existence??? I do believe that when you are enlightened, you either join with GOD/Universal Spirit/Source or you can choose to come back to this plane to help people ie Neem Karoli Baba, Babaji, and Ramana Maharishi to name a few.

    Om Shantih X 3
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      Re: What Is Liberation?

      Sun, November 5, 2006 - 7:42 PM
      Liberation is when you have no samskaras left and all your actions are aligned with the divine because there is no YOU left :-). Samskara is reaction in potential, Karma is when you actually experience the reaction of past action in the here and now.
      • Re: What Is Liberation?

        Mon, November 6, 2006 - 9:42 AM
        True freedom is being entirely responsible for oneself and one's own state. Free from excuses, emotional habits, and being self aware enough to be be in action rather than reaction. Not as eloquent as some of the other wonderful posts here but freedom and personal responsibility are integrally intertwined from my perspective :)
        • Re: What Is Liberation?

          Sat, November 11, 2006 - 4:56 PM
          Liberation is emptiness, not nothingness, more like completeness and wholeness. Just the way it is, everything connected. Letting go of all attachments, free...then there is no fear, no self only the concept of self.
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    Re: What Is Liberation?

    Tue, November 14, 2006 - 3:05 PM
    my 2 cents based on limited experience, so take it with the proverbial grain of salt:

    if you can touch it,
    see it,
    or feel it,
    that ain't it.

    it's not in the mind or the body,
    and although it does definitely exist in this plane,
    it is not of this plane.

    to find liberation,
    dive into the well within.

    it is,
    despite what we might think
    (which is the problem!)
    there for any and all.

    ultimately,
    it's not a private club;
    anyone can join.
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      Re: What Is Liberation?

      Tue, November 14, 2006 - 5:35 PM
      Boom sounds like a nice poem.
      Thanks
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        Re: What Is Liberation?

        Tue, November 14, 2006 - 6:03 PM
        Realizing that the Presence you feel inside is the same Presence the prevades everything. That same Presence isn't bound to any religion, philosophy or political ideology. That Presence wants only that you live in abundence, love, peace, joy and safety. You can commune with that Presence without any special techniques, methods, secret meditations, sacrifices or mantras for as long as you wish, anytime, any place.

        That Presence powers and sustains the Universe, and it also wants to provide you only good!

        :D

        Blessings,

        SA